SNA Roadshow Q&A 12/12/14
Section 3 – Scope
Q: Who is going to verify everyone is exhausted prior to a supervisor/manager working a cancellation?
A: AFA Scheduling Chair and MEC
Q: What is punishment if there is a violation of the contractual provision?
A: We would file a grievance and ask for pay penalties for the Flight Attendant who was available to fly the sequence. There is also possibility to request injunction. We don’t know of a time when management willfully violated an arbitration award.
Q: What happens in self help aka CHAOS?
A: You don’t have a contract in CHAOS, your contract is void. In 1994 they hired 600 individuals using expedited training. This is not limited to managers/supervisors. Anyone could be trained to take your job during a period of self help.
Q: Single source occurrence?
A: The supervisor cannot be the only individual as the source of the information. Not to be confused with multiple violations. If you were wearing large earrings and not wearing a name tag that is a multiple violation, but if supervisor is only one to write up would be a single source.
Q: In theory if you send no to management flying what do you perceive would have happened?
A: We wouldn’t be in front of you with an agreement for your consideration.
Q: Is there a list of carriers who offer some form management flying/cancellation?
A: Yes, available on the blog.
Section 8 – Hours of Service
Q: Why did they want the 15 min debrief and 4k?
A: Productivity for the rates and other considerations of the step rate scale. There is additional information at our blog on www.afaalaska.org. There is also a search function on the blog near the bottom of the page on the right side: “I’m looking for…”
Q: Is there a comparison from current agreement to TA2 for the trip distribution chart?
A: No. We compared TA1 to TA2. Minimum pay rules are not going away and did change the flying. In TA2 there is additional 15 min debrief and 4k that was put into the chart for your consideration. We thought comparing TA1 to TA2 was a better way to see the changes taking place in trip distribution.
Q: Are over duty rules applied to 4k?
A: Yes, the same as sequences built to 10 hours and 30 minutes.
Q: Is there additional rest provided on a layover after flying a 4k?
A: No. Minimum scheduled rest on an RON for all sequences is 10 hours.
Q: Could they force a reserve to fly a 4k?
A: Yes, 3 hours prior to departure, 2 hours to check in.
Q: Can I call to adjust my debrief?
Q: Is there language on how they rotate the trips?
A: No more than 90% of 4k in any one domicile and no less than 10% in the other domciles.
Q: Can I adjustment my 15 minute debrief for Customs and Immigration?
A: No. There was a waiver at one time due to construction at Tom Bradley International but that agreement is no longer in effect.
Section 9 – Junior Availability and Premium OT
Section 10 – Scheduling
Q: If I pick up a 4k sequence after bid awards am I waiving my rights?
A: No. 4k sequence opting in for bid award is only during the bidding process. If you pick up and trade a sequence with a 4k sequence as a lineholder you are opting into that specific sequence. No 4k may ever be forced on a lineholder. There is no ability to force a reassignment without consent and no ability to JA a 4k. There is specific provisions for reserves that may allow assigning of 4k under very specific circumstances.
Section 11 – Reserve
Q: If I am a lineholder and pick up single reserve day does it convert to ER?
A: Yes, same as today.
Q: Once I am converted twice can I take off my ER preference?
Q: When does airport standby monthly limitations take place?
A: Date of signing.
Section 12 – Exchange of Sequences
Q: OT Trial may be cancelled by either party?
A: Yes. If either party cancels will renegotiate a new OT system which would require an additional ratification vote on the subsequent OT system if the TA2 OT trial is cancelled. Before cancelling the trial the parties agree to test different thresholds.
Q: Will you still have to wait till the 1st of the month to pick up out of base?
A: No, you will be able to pick up now on the 17th of the month prior. This is a more favorable application to those who pick up out of domicile.
Q: When would this OT trial be implemented?
A: August 1, 2015
Q: What if they don’t meet the deadline?
A: We would file a grievance. There is no monetary implementation penalties under TA2.
Q: Will there be someone overseeing the implementation of the new OT system?
A: Yes, the AFA Scheduling Chair and MEC officers.
Section 14 – Vacation
Q: How much TFP must I work to accrue paid vacation?
A: Worked 480TFP each calendar year, exclusive of sick leave and vacation. If you are coordinating with sick leave then those months in the calendar year will be skipped until a full 12 months where you were not coordinating are captured to calculate your 480 TFP for that calendar year for the subsequent year benefits.
Section 16 – Sick Leave and On the Job Injury
Q: If I had 4 day trip worth 20tfp and I call out sick am I required to pick up 4 reserve sick leave make up days?
A: You may pick up to a maximum of 4 days, certainly you could work less such as 1, 2 or 3 days, if available.
Q: When will sick leave make up take effect?
A: Date of signing.
Section 21 – Compensation
Q: Which minimum pay rules do not count towards my PBS bid award?
A: Average Duty Period Guarantee (ADPG) and Sit time pay.
Q: Will I be able to see both the bid awarded TFP and the eligible TFP if paid including ADPG and sit time?
Q: Will Company Business (CB) pay in TFP counts towards QPP eligibility?
A: Yes. All TFP pay exclusive of sick leave and vacation will count towards your eligibility. PBS sets your personal bar for achieving the QPP.
Q: Was the PBS option to bid a min line removed?
A: Yes, that preference would go away.
Q: Does sick leave make up count towards the QPP?
A: The restoration of sick leave does not count, however any overages would count towards eligibility of the QPP.
Section 22 – Expenses
Section 23 – Insurance
Section 27 – General Association
Section 32 – Attendance Policy
Q: The sick online while already in motion on a sequence is the same application as today?
Q: So counseling with supervisor I have not called them back, what is this new change?
A: You do have to return the call under specific circumstances. You may leave a message. Under other circumstances you have the option to reply.
Q: If I am contacted regarding a delay must I make contact?
A: Yes. Your employer is allowed to contact you regarding activities.
Q: Could I have an AFA representative attend a phone call or involved in email regarding counseling?
A: Absolutely yes.
Q: If you are off duty and supervisor wants to counsel you what happens?
A: You could request a day off to meet and receive 4 TFP or could extend your debrief if mutual consent.
Q: Why was there no increase in “A” pay, premium pays, night pay?
A: They wouldn’t agree to those provisions.
Q: Why not put the $.63 savings on the debrief into “A” pay?
A: They were not willing to agree to that provision. We did increase the per diem from $2.25 to $2.50. When computing the dollar amount initially for exchange of crew snacks that equated to $0.22, the parties rounded the dollar amount up $0.03 to $0.25.
Q: Why did you make the decision to present us with this TA?
A: Some have said scare tactics by the union, that we have agenda. We have responsibility to tell you what we know and you do what you want with that information and make an informed decision. This is the truth as I know it. 4 years ago applied for negotiating committee, going to get more vacation, improvements and SWA wages. Flash forward what has changed. Since on the negotiating committee took on the position of MEC President. The NMB is in place to keep interstate commerce running. Part of the NMBs consideration for release is looking into whether the carriers capacity and routes can be absorbed by other carriers. At this point impossible for other carriers to cover our flying. In addition, the White House has given the order not to release airlines into self help. The last time self help was offered was for Spirit Pilots in 2010. We don’t believe at this point we have ability to use CHAOS. We can still picket, still use media if the membership determines that is the route. The current agreement is worth 145 million with increase of 30 million a year, this is roughly 20% increase on cost of agreement. Management flying is concerning but most of public and other airlines work closely with their supervisors. Most jobs and industries you must work full time or part to get benefits such as insurance and vacation. Delta competition could potentially inch into our profits, oil prices could continue to remain low, could remain in record profits we just don’t know when things will shift. There could be another Ebola scare or terrorist attack, the unknown. Really uncertain. Not trying to scare anyone. Glad that TA1 failed by 70% and we were able to go back and get TA2. Cannot tell you we will or won’t get better in a subsequent TA. The NMBs priority going forward said they are only willing to spend their limited resources on passenger rail. Not spending resources on our carrier. Management has said they have put everything they are will to in agreement, you don’t have to believe me but I believe them. I represent 3400 people and their futures. I do know there are many Flight Attendants who need money. I am concerned if we roll the dice and go out there could be stuck, do I know that will happen? Absolutely not, but I must give consideration. The NC unanimously agreed this TA deserved your consideration. Took the TA to the MEC who voted 4 to 1 to present the agreement for your consideration. There was no intent of our committee to pit junior against senior or domicile against domicile, it was how the provisions were negotiated.
Q: With the 4k rule does this benefit SEA/PDX more than the outside domiciles?
A: Under the current route structure and destinations SEA/PDX would receive a majority of sequences of 4k flying. Need to make personal considerations when voting. There is no requirement that any domicile fly specific routes under today current contract. The pairing optimizer looks at cost and there is forced flying already into LAX.
Q: Are there any protections for ONT/SNA under TA2?
A: Yes, same as current agreement.
Q: Did you think TA2 would be better than TA1 when going back to the negotiating table?
A: We had the power of the vote to get more favorable applications in TA2. It was a wake up call for management. The NC believes management has made as much progress towards our positions as they are comfortable at this point.
Q: Could that happen again with a 70/30 vote?
A: Possibly, no guarantee either way.
Q: Does the NMB care about how many awards we win or how much money our company makes?
A: The NMB does not care. Their job is to ensure agreements are ratified and commerce and essential service continues.
Q: What was the company’s thought on top of scale have been here longest?
A: Don’t want to pay number 1 and have this idea of equality of the groups and didn’t want to give more percentage wise at top of scale. Met the same as ALPA with 10.8%.
Q: Can you discuss opening the door to 10.5 hour days, in the subsequent contract we could put our foot down and say no to extending our duty day further?
A: Correct. We must separate duty day and flying. There is flying that could change in every domicile. Management always has the ability to ask for more duty day during negotiations. If the majority of the membership does not ratify and increase in duty day there the duty day would remain whatever is under the current agreement.
Q: Co-domicile pay cap of $175, why?
A: Company wanted a cap and we negotiated the $25 with a $175 cap. Process of thinking is 18 turns at $10.00 co term pay would be $180 today and this was very close to what they already receive. This benefit protects those who typically don’t fly to co-terminals or less frequency.
Q: Who cancelled the picket in November?
A: There was a TA in place, the MEC President made the decision. I should have talked to LEC Presidents before making that decision. I take responsibility.