AFA Alaska

Representing the Flight Attendants of Alaska + Hawaiian

Click here to report an issue to AFA
Menu
  • Local Councils
    • Anchorage (Council 30)
      • Officers
      • Committees
    • Honolulu (Council 43)
    • Los Angeles (Council 18/pmAS)
      • Officers
      • Committees
      • Los Angeles (Council 47/pmHA)
        • Officers
      • Portland (Council 39)
        • Officers
        • Committees
      • San Diego (Council 15)
        • Officers
        • Committees
        • Seattle (Council 19)
          • Officers
          • Committees
        • San Francisco (Council 35)
          • Officers
          • Committees

        • More About Local Councils >>
        Close
      • Master Executive Council
        • Officers
        • MEC Officer Elections (November 2025)
        • Close
      • Committees
          • Air Safety, Health, & Security (ASHSC)
            • Air Quality
          • Benefits
          • Communications
          • Employee Assistance Program & Professional Standards
          • Government Affairs
          • Grievance
          • Hotel
          • Human Rights & Equity
          • Inflight Service
          • Inflight Training
          • Membership
          • Membership Engagement
          • Reserve
          • Retirement
          • Scheduling
            • Pairing Construction
            • Preferential Bidding System (PBS)
          • Uniform

        • More About Committees >>
        Close
      • Contract
          • Contract Home
            • 2025 Alaska Contract
            • 2020 Hawaiian Contract
            • Ask Contract Questions
          • Contract Resources
          • Alaska Contract Negotiations (2022-2025)
        • Close
      • Resources
          • What To Do If You Encounter Contaminated Cabin Air
          • Issues & Campaigns
          • Newsroom
            • AFA News Now
          • Event Calendar
          • Membership Services
          • New Members
          • About
          • Links
          Close
        • Merger
          • Joint Negotiating Committee
          • Close
        • Contact Us
        You are here: Home / Negotiations / Contract 2014 Negotiations Blog / Q&A: We hear that provisions are contingent on 4k and 15 min debrief, why does management want this?

        Q&A: We hear that provisions are contingent on 4k and 15 min debrief, why does management want this?

        December 5, 2014 10:48

        Here is management’s response:

        Jeff,

        I appreciate the opportunity to respond to your question and to clarify the reasons both provisions remain important to us.

        It has been our goal throughout these negotiations to improve productivity.  Our belief is that we should have rates of pay that rank high within the industry along with the industry’s highest productivity.  That is a long-term sustainable formula for AS and has been a principle we’ve advocated for in all recent CBAs we’ve negotiated.

        A second part of this philosophy is that any savings achieved through productivity are returned to the contract through our economic proposals and that was certainly the case in TA2.  We have always strived to have win-win solutions and understand that personal productivity of your flying needs to be important as well.  As much as we want to achieve productivity to position us well over the long-term, we are acutely aware of the need to balance quality of life.  We believe these provisions increase average TFP value per duty for FA’s which is consistent with increasing FA personal productivity.

        Both provisions provide value independent of the other.  The long turn language helps us today and in the future to maintain on a year-round basis markets that alternate between turns and 2-day trips and open up additional possibilities for mid-continent two leg single duty pairings from all bases in the future.  This is important as scheduled block times can fluctuate materially due to weather, air traffic control, hub airport congestion and other reasons.  The fifteen minute debrief would not resolve all of those issues in these markets.  With this provision we can build high-time, efficient turns for both the company and FA and because we understand they will not be for everyone they are optional (a point AFA was emphatic about at the table).

        The fifteen minute debrief helps produce more efficient pairings of all types, not just those that are long stage length in nature.  This should produce higher average value pairings during line building as well as provide better tools for close-in and day of scheduling issues.

        Shane Tackett

        Print Friendly, PDF & Email

        Filed Under: Contract 2014 Negotiations Blog, Latest News, Negotiations

        Comments

        1. Melanie Seymour says

          December 5, 2014 at 13:31

          At the Los Angeles morning road show it was mentioned that there is no language prohibiting how many pairings can be created that include a 4K day/s. Is it a possibility in the future (especially if new destinations get introduced) that a majority of our pairings include an extended duty day and, if so, how will we be protected by TA2 language ?

          Thanks for all your time,

          Melanie

          • Jake Jones (SEA LEC Vice President/Negotiating Committee Member) says

            December 5, 2014 at 14:28

            Hi Melanie,

            The protections are in the language and current domiciles. There are specific markets we have success in, other we are growing and Alaska is very conservative. There is the protection that if no one bids the pairings they go to OT, subsequently they would have to be assigned to reserves under 3 hours to check in which would increase reserve coverage. The 4k pairings not awarded go into OT and will not count towards the threshold. The current system and routes only create 5% overall pairings using 4k. New destinations which would qualify under 4k would potentially increase the overall percentage of pairings built. For protections and provisions review the language in Section 10.DD

        Need Help?

        Have an issue or concern to report to AFA?  Click here to access the AFA Alaska online support center.

        Latest News

        • Reserve Committee Meeting Recap – 4th Quarter 2025
        • Inflight Service Committee Meeting Recap – 4th Quarter 2025
        • AFA News in Review – December 12, 2025
        • Joint Contract Negotiations Session 10 – December 2025
        • Human Rights & Equity Committee Meeting Recap – 4th Quarter 2025
        • Staying Balanced During The Holidays
        • Hawaiian Flight Attendant Seattle Domicile LOA Session #1 Roadshow Recording
        • Seattle Domicile Negotiating Committee Question and Answer (Q and A) Update – December 9, 2025
        • Meet Our Pre-Merger Alaska Committee Chairpersons
        • Meet Our Merged MEC Committee Chairpersons & Representatives

        Reserve Committee Meeting Recap – 4th Quarter 2025

        December 15, 2025

        This message is for pre-merger Alaska Flight Attendants On Thursday, December 11, representatives from our AFA Local Reserve Committees met to discuss their ongoing work to advocate for Reserve Flight Attendants. Representing you at the meeting were Conner Gallager (SEA), Anthony Eskander (PDX), Meghan Casey (SFO), Kanako Yamada (LAX), and Rebecca Garcia (SAN). Also present […]

        Inflight Service Committee Meeting Recap – 4th Quarter 2025

        December 15, 2025

        On Thursday, December 4, our AFA Inflight Service Committee Chairpersons met to discuss their ongoing work in representing our Flight Attendants and advocating for improvements in our workplace. Representing you at the meeting were Naomi Parcell (ANC), Ross DeJong (SEA), Todd Horn (PDX), Raymond Ramirez (SFO), Johanna Thomas (LAX pmAS), and Andrew Malone (SAN). MEC […]

        Joint Contract Negotiations Session 10 – December 2025

        December 12, 2025

        The Joint Negotiating Committee (JNC) met with management this week to continue bargaining sessions in Seattle, WA. Discussions focused on narrowing issues in Leaves of Absence, Association General, and reviewing vacation provisions as part of the joint contract process.

        Human Rights & Equity Committee Meeting Recap – 4th Quarter 2025

        December 12, 2025

        On Monday, December 8, our AFA Human Rights & Equity Committee Chairpersons met to discuss their ongoing activism to raise awareness and create positive change within our workplace and community. Your representatives attending the meeting included Louise Borras (LAX-pmAS), Bruni Agosto-Pinal (LAX-pmHA), Aaron Miller (PDX), Trista Vanta (SFO), and Yan Yan Teague (SEA). MEC Human […]

        Staying Balanced During The Holidays

        December 10, 2025

        Let joy, not pressure, lead the way. The holiday season is a special time for joy, connection, and celebration. But let’s be honest—it can sometimes feel a bit overwhelming, even for the most grounded among us. With family gatherings, work commitments, and financial worries, finding balance isn’t always easy. Here are some practical tips to […]

        Recent Posts

        • Reserve Committee Meeting Recap – 4th Quarter 2025
        • Inflight Service Committee Meeting Recap – 4th Quarter 2025
        • AFA News in Review – December 12, 2025
        • Joint Contract Negotiations Session 10 – December 2025
        • Human Rights & Equity Committee Meeting Recap – 4th Quarter 2025
        • Staying Balanced During The Holidays
        • Hawaiian Flight Attendant Seattle Domicile LOA Session #1 Roadshow Recording
        • Seattle Domicile Negotiating Committee Question and Answer (Q and A) Update – December 9, 2025
        • Meet Our Pre-Merger Alaska Committee Chairpersons
        • Meet Our Merged MEC Committee Chairpersons & Representatives
        • AFA News in Review – December 5, 2025
        • Hotel Committee Meeting Recap – December 2025
        • MEC Reserve Committee Vice Chairperson—New Hire & Probation Interviews – January 2026
        • Pre-Merger Alaska MEC Committee Chairperson Election Results
        • Merged MEC Committee Chairperson Election Results

        Local Councils

        • Anchorage
        • Honolulu
        • Los Angeles (pre-merger Alaska)
        • Los Angeles (pre-merger Hawaiian)
        • Portland
        • San Diego
        • San Francisco
        • Seattle

        Master Executive Council

        • MEC

        Negotiations

        • Contract 2022 Home
        • Negotiations News
        • TA2 Information

        Contract

        • Contract Home

        Committees

        • Air Safety, Health, & Security
        • Benefits
        • Communications
        • EAP/Professional Standards
        • Government Affairs
        • Grievance
        • Hotel
        • Human Rights
        • Inflight Service
        • Mobilization
        • Reserve
        • Retirement
        • Scheduling
        • Uniform

        News By Month

        News By Category

        AFA News Now Air Quality Air Safety, Health, & Security Committee (ASHSC) Alternative Dispute Resolution (ADR) AS/HA Merger AS/VX Merger Benefits Committee Committees Communications Committee Contract Contract 2014 Negotiations Blog Council 15 SAN Council 18 LAX (pmAS) Council 19 SEA Council 30 ANC Council 35 SFO Council 39 PDX Council 47 LAX (pmHA) EAP/Professional Standards Committee Extension 2021 Blog Featured Government Affairs Committee Grievance Committee Hotel Committee Human Rights & Equity Committee Industry News Inflight Service Committee Inflight Training Committee JNC Blog Joint Negotiating Committee (JNC) Latest News Local Councils Master Executive Council (MEC) Membership Committee Membership Engagement Committee Message from the MEC President Mobilization Committee Negotiations Pairing Construction Preferential Bidding System (PBS) Press Releases Reserve Committee Retirement Committee Scheduling Committee Uniform Committee
        • Email
        • Facebook
        • Instagram
        • YouTube

        Want To Stay In The Loop?

        Stay up-to-date on AFA Alaska news and information by signing up for our email and text message updates. Click a button below to get started or update your preferences if you're already a subscriber.
        Sign Up for Emails
        Sign Up for Text Updates

        Connect With AFA

        • Contact Us
        • Online Support Center
        • AFA International
        • CWA
        • AFA Alaska Social Media Guidelines
        • AFA-CWA Mutual Respect Policy

        Copyright © 2013-2025 Alaska Airlines Master Executive Council, Association of Flight Attendants-CWA, AFL-CIO