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        You are here: Home / Negotiations / Contract 2014 Negotiations Blog / 4k & 15 Minutes Pairing Stats

        4k & 15 Minutes Pairing Stats

        December 11, 2014 13:17

        Here are the stats presented at the recent Roadshows this week showing a pairing run with just the Minimum Pay Rules and a run with the Minimum Pay Rules, 4k and 15 min change. Why did we not compare current runs used today as well? Because we do not plan on giving back the Minimum Pay Rules gained in TA1. We wanted to provide an apples-to-apples comparison about what it would look like if we used our current route structure with just the Minimum Pay Rules and what the combination of Minimum Pay Rules, 4k and 15 min would produce.

        A couple key components to consider in reviewing these stats – this is done without the locking of flying that is done today and will be done in the future. Example, LAX always has locked flying (example – when you see a negative number, it can be a result of the fact that locked flying has not been programed in either of these runs (but would be programed for runs that are bid on by each base) not just as a result of the 4k or 15 min changes). This is how route structures are designed and aircraft utilization is put into practice, ALSO these numbers do not included the contractual 10% of 4K flying that must be pushed to the domiciles that do not have city pairings that qualify for a 4k directly out of their domicile.

        If you have any further questions about these numbers, concerns or need further clarification – please email the Negotiating Committee and we will be happy to expand and provide as much information as needed for a better understanding of how our pairings are constructed today and under the proposed changes.

         

         

        4k & 15 min stats

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        Comments

        1. Scott Jones says

          December 14, 2014 at 17:24

          Hi guys: I am trying to get my head around how the changes in our debrief (15 minute) and 4K trips will affect how our pairings look going forward. I see on the link above that (out of Seattle) it looks like a big increase in turns, but a lower amount of 2, 3, and 4 day trips as compared from TA1 to TA2. Is there any idea how many turns, 2, 3, 4 days we currently have, and how that may change wih TA2, or is that too difficult to predict?

          Also to clarify some 4K “myths”:
          –Can an unlimited amount of 4K trips be built in any base?
          –Is there a limit on how many 4K trips a F/A can have in a month(some have said only 4 per person per month).

          Thanks for all your work and your time!
          Scott Jones

          • Christina Frees (Negotiating Committee Member) says

            December 15, 2014 at 17:35

            Hi!

            It contains changes to roughly 5% of our pairings system wide. Yes it did increase turns in almost every base, as well as, efficient multi-days. The system is looking to also lessen the impact of the new minimum pay rules. There is never a way to concretely predict our pairings as the system is optimizing and programed for efficiency and is based on the company’s target budget.

            There is no way for an unlimited amount of 4k trips to be built in any one base. That is protected by the 90max/10min provision if you read 10.DD in Section 10. There is also a practical cap in that there are very few cities that qualify with the mileage limitation.

            You can bid for as many as you would like, however we still have the contractual line build range.

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