AFA Alaska

Representing the Flight Attendants of Alaska + Hawaiian

Click here to report an issue to AFA
Menu
  • Local Councils
    • Anchorage (Council 30)
      • Officers
      • Committees
    • Honolulu (Council 43)
    • Los Angeles (Council 18/pmAS)
      • Officers
      • Committees
      • Los Angeles (Council 47/pmHA)
        • Officers
      • Portland (Council 39)
        • Officers
        • Committees
      • San Diego (Council 15)
        • Officers
        • Committees
        • Seattle (Council 19)
          • Officers
          • Committees
        • San Francisco (Council 35)
          • Officers
          • Committees

        • More About Local Councils >>
        Close
      • Master Executive Council
        • Officers
        • MEC Officer Elections (November 2025)
        • Close
      • Committees
          • Air Safety, Health, & Security (ASHSC)
            • Air Quality
          • Benefits
          • Communications
          • Employee Assistance Program & Professional Standards
          • Government Affairs
          • Grievance
          • Hotel
          • Human Rights & Equity
          • Inflight Service
          • Inflight Training
          • Membership
          • Membership Engagement
          • Reserve
          • Retirement
          • Scheduling
            • Pairing Construction
            • Preferential Bidding System (PBS)
          • Uniform

        • More About Committees >>
        Close
      • Contract
          • Contract Home
            • 2025 Alaska TA2 (Ratified)
            • 2018 Alaska JCBA
            • 2020 Hawaiian Contract
            • Ask Contract Questions
          • Contract Resources
          • Alaska Contract Negotiations (2022-2025)
        • Close
      • Resources
          • What To Do If You Encounter Contaminated Cabin Air
          • Issues & Campaigns
          • Newsroom
            • AFA News Now
          • Event Calendar
          • Membership Services
          • New Members
          • About
          • Links
          Close
        • Merger
          • Joint Negotiating Committee
          • Close
        • Contact Us
        You are here: Home / Negotiations / Contract 2014 Negotiations Blog / Q&A: Is there a loop hole for 4k reassignments?

        Q&A: Is there a loop hole for 4k reassignments?

        November 25, 2014 08:54

        Absolutely NOT.  There is specific language for 4k pairings in Section 10.DD.  A line holding Flight Attendant will not be forced to accept 4k flying.  However, Crew Scheduling may offer and a Flight Attendant may accept a 4k sequence consistent with the process of reassignments which requires that the trip be offered in seniority order.  There are many rumors and unreliable sources distributing information, but when in doubt please contact the committee.  We appreciate those who are emailing the committee and asking for clarification. If you think your question or concern should be posted in our blog, let us know.

        Print Friendly, PDF & Email

        Filed Under: Contract 2014 Negotiations Blog, Latest News, Negotiations

        Comments

        1. Krista Livingston says

          December 1, 2014 at 12:21

          I have read and re-read both sections regarding 4k pairings. Is there a monthly cap to the percentage of TOTAL trips that can be built as 4k trips? Or a cap to multi-day sequences built as 4k? I can see the minimums.. but is there a cap?

          What I am understanding is that an unlimited number of pairings system wide can be built with a 4k duty period. Is that right?

          Could a multi-day trip be built with two 4k duty periods?

          If 50% of all pairings for the month are built with 4k duty periods and only 40% of available flight attendants elect to fly the 4k trips will there be enough of a flight attendant reserve to cover the 4k trips?

          Will flight attendants who elect not to fly the 4k trips be able to find a sufficient amount of 10 1/2 hr duty day trips to trade with or add to their schedules?

          • Jake Jones (SEA LEC Vice President/Negotiating Committee Member) says

            December 2, 2014 at 13:03

            Hi Krista,

            There is no cap on the number of pairings. Currently the pairing optimizer is building 5% of pairings with 4k sequences. This is due to our current route structure and domiciles.

            Yes, a multi-day pairing could have two 4k duty periods, such as a 4 day sequence.

            There is not the ability to build 50% of our pairings using a 4k duty period with our current route structure and domicile. Reserve coverage is currently 13-15% depending on the domicile. Management would have the ability to increase or decrease reserve thresholds as there is no contractual minimum or maximum.

            With the current route structure and domicile geographic there is 95% of the pairings built with 10 hours and 30 minutes. There will be sufficient flying available for FAs not wanting to opt into 4k sequences.

        2. Donna says

          November 26, 2014 at 16:35

          What happens if no one bids for pairings with 4k flying? Does it fall to reserves and they have to fly them? No options for reserves?

          • Lisa Pinkston (ANC LEC Vice President/Negotiating Committee Member) says

            November 26, 2014 at 17:25

            If there are no FAs who bid for the 4k sequences, then they will be in OT and will not count towards the Sequence Threshold Number which is used to determine if a day is limited. The trips will remain in OT until a FA trades into them, CS breaks them up and makes them legal within the 10:30 minute duty day, places a premium on them, a reserve self-assigns them, CS offers them to the reserve who has indicated a preference to fly them, or ultimately they remain and there is an unscheduled position within 3 hours of departure (2 hours from scheduled check-in) and at that time they will be involuntarily assigned to a Reserve ant the Reserve will receive a 1.5x premium for the entire sequence. You can find the Long Stage Length Duty Period Language in Section 10.DD.
            Please let us know if you have any additional questions.

        Need Help?

        Have an issue or concern to report to AFA?  Click here to access the AFA Alaska online support center.

        Latest News

        • MEC Officer Election Results
        • Sick Leave Survey Deadline Extended
        • Sick Leave Survey Closing Soon
        • AFA News in Review – November 7, 2025
        • Council 30 (ANC) LEC Officer Election Results
        • Apps To Help You Save Money On Food
        • What You Need To Know About The FAA Capacity Cuts
        • Council 47 (LAX pmHA) LEC Officer Election Results
        • Pre-Merger Alaska MEC Committee Interviews—December 2025
        • Merged MEC Committee Interviews—December 2025

        MEC Officer Election Results

        November 11, 2025

        With the current Master Executive Council (MEC) Officers’ term ending on December 31, 2025, our MEC held elections this week for the next term. According to the AFA-CWA Constitution and Bylaws, each of the eight Local Executive Council (LEC) Presidents casts one vote for each officer position. The following AFA Flight Attendants have been elected […]

        Sick Leave Survey Deadline Extended

        November 11, 2025

        Our JNC has received reports that some Flight Attendants may not have received the Sick Leave Survey email due to technical issues. Please check your spam or junk folder. The survey deadline has been extended to Friday, November 21, at Noon PT, allowing everyone to participate.

        Sick Leave Survey Closing Soon

        November 10, 2025

        There’s just 1 DAY LEFT to complete the Sick Leave Survey that will help shape future provisions. Our JNC is eager to hear your thoughts on which elements of our paid sick leave policy are most meaningful to you, as we strive to improve our support for your needs. The survey is currently open and will remain available until Tuesday, November 11 at Noon PT.

        Council 30 (ANC) LEC Officer Election Results

        November 7, 2025

        Polls closed at 12 PM PT today for the election of Council 30 LEC Officers, representing Alaska Airlines Flight Attendants based in Anchorage. The following AFA Flight Attendants have been elected to Local Council Officer positions: LEC President: LeiLauni ScheidemanLEC Vice President: Heather ReierLEC Secretary: Anne Madsen View the certified election results here >> These newly elected officers […]

        Apps To Help You Save Money On Food

        November 6, 2025

        Our AFA Employee Assistance Program (EAP)/Professional Standards Committee recognizes that Flight Attendants may be facing increasing challenges when it comes to accessing affordable food, whether on the road or at home. We want you to know that you are not alone. In response to these difficulties, we have compiled a list of apps to help […]

        Recent Posts

        • MEC Officer Election Results
        • Sick Leave Survey Deadline Extended
        • Sick Leave Survey Closing Soon
        • AFA News in Review – November 7, 2025
        • Council 30 (ANC) LEC Officer Election Results
        • Apps To Help You Save Money On Food
        • What You Need To Know About The FAA Capacity Cuts
        • Council 47 (LAX pmHA) LEC Officer Election Results
        • Pre-Merger Alaska MEC Committee Interviews—December 2025
        • Merged MEC Committee Interviews—December 2025
        • Celebrating Native American Heritage Month
        • AFA News in Review – October 31, 2025
        • Scheduling Committee Meeting Recap – October 2025
        • Sick Leave Survey Now Open
        • SEA Domicile Negotiations – October 2025 Update #2

        Local Councils

        • Anchorage
        • Honolulu
        • Los Angeles (pre-merger Alaska)
        • Los Angeles (pre-merger Hawaiian)
        • Portland
        • San Diego
        • San Francisco
        • Seattle

        Master Executive Council

        • MEC

        Negotiations

        • Contract 2022 Home
        • Negotiations News
        • TA2 Information

        Contract

        • Contract Home

        Committees

        • Air Safety, Health, & Security
        • Benefits
        • Communications
        • EAP/Professional Standards
        • Government Affairs
        • Grievance
        • Hotel
        • Human Rights
        • Inflight Service
        • Mobilization
        • Reserve
        • Retirement
        • Scheduling
        • Uniform

        News By Month

        News By Category

        AFA News Now Air Quality Air Safety, Health, & Security Committee (ASHSC) Alternative Dispute Resolution (ADR) AS/HA Merger AS/VX Merger Benefits Committee Committees Communications Committee Contract Contract 2014 Negotiations Blog Council 15 SAN Council 18 LAX (pmAS) Council 19 SEA Council 30 ANC Council 35 SFO Council 39 PDX Council 47 LAX (pmHA) EAP/Professional Standards Committee Extension 2021 Blog Featured Government Affairs Committee Grievance Committee Hotel Committee Human Rights & Equity Committee Industry News Inflight Service Committee Inflight Training Committee JNC Blog Joint Negotiating Committee (JNC) Latest News Local Councils Master Executive Council (MEC) Membership Committee Membership Engagement Committee Message from the MEC President Mobilization Committee Negotiations Pairing Construction Preferential Bidding System (PBS) Press Releases Reserve Committee Retirement Committee Scheduling Committee Uniform Committee
        • Email
        • Facebook
        • Instagram
        • YouTube

        Want To Stay In The Loop?

        Stay up-to-date on AFA Alaska news and information by signing up for our email and text message updates. Click a button below to get started or update your preferences if you're already a subscriber.
        Sign Up for Emails
        Sign Up for Text Updates

        Connect With AFA

        • Contact Us
        • Online Support Center
        • AFA International
        • CWA
        • AFA Alaska Social Media Guidelines
        • AFA-CWA Mutual Respect Policy

        Copyright © 2013-2025 Alaska Airlines Master Executive Council, Association of Flight Attendants-CWA, AFL-CIO