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        You are here: Home / Negotiations / Contract 2014 Negotiations Blog / Open Time TA 2019: Trading on a Closed Day

        Open Time TA 2019: Trading on a Closed Day

        May 6, 2019 22:00

        Q: I heard that in the proposed Open Time system you are locked out of all Open Time trading on a closed day. Is that true?

        A: No.

        In the proposed Open Time system, all Open Time trades are allowed on a closed day(s) (including the days automatically closed four days prior) except for:

        • Direct (straight) drop(s) (from a FA to Open Time) on the closed day(s), and
        • Trading out of the closed day(s).

        Again, all other types of Open Time trades are allowed as long as you do not drop or trade more than 40 net TFP into Open Time (the “Net 40”) in that bid month. Day-for-day (or greater) trades are allowed on closed days either on a trip-for-trip basis or by a single transaction multiple trade. This is very similar to the trading rules in place under the previous “Back to Book” trading system (prior to late 2015).

        Example: Open Time is automatically closed today (the 10th) and for the next four days (11th, 12th, 13th, 14th). You have a 4-day starting tomorrow (11-14). You may exchange your 4-day for any of the following trips in Open Time as long as you have not dropped or traded more than 40 net TFP into Open Time:

        • 2-day today (10-11) + 3-day 12-14 [day-for-day and greater via a single transaction multiple trade]
        • Different 4-day 11-14 [day-for-day]
        • Turn tomorrow on the 11th + all-nighter turn 12-13 (single duty period spanning two calendar days) + another turn on the 14th [day-for-day via a single transaction multiple trade]
        • Any combination of trips from Open Time as long the trips operate on (i.e. cover or touch) the 11th through the 14th.

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        Comments

        1. Ralph Trevino says

          May 7, 2019 at 14:36

          So in other words… on those 4 days before closing open time… and you have a 4 day trip…

          You can only trade open time trips that are still going to cover those 4 days…

          Be it 4 turns 2+2, or 3+1, or 4 day for a for day.

          • Ralph Trevino says

            May 7, 2019 at 14:52

            Adding to this in other words …NO down trading during that four day trip to a 1 day trip during the 4 day freeze period… even if days are open?

            Thanks

            Ralph

          • Jeffrey Peterson (MEC President) says

            May 17, 2019 at 15:06

            Not exactly. Within four days of operation, all days are automatically closed under the proposed Open Time unless Scheduling manually opens the days. That being said, you are correct that there is no down trading during that period unless days are manually opened.

          • Jeffrey Peterson (MEC President) says

            May 17, 2019 at 14:48

            I’m so sorry Ralph. Your post has been sitting in the queue waiting for a response for 10 days? Yikes!

            Now that the Open Time TA has been canceled, the question is now moot. However, the proposed Open Time would allow you to downtrade out of open days.

            If all four days were closed, then you are correct: You can only trade OT trips that are still going to cover those 4 day (e.g 4 turns, 2+2, 3+1, 4-day for a 4-day).

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